Tuesday, August 12, 2008

To my anonymous commenter...

Why is it that when someone chooses to attack a blog, they are too chicken to leave a name? I am leaving my blog available to anonymous comments because I have several friends and family who comment this way. I am also always open to hearing your thoughts on any particular subject, even if you don't agree with me. But PLEASE, if you're going to bash me or my family or one of my posts, have the guts to leave your name or email or blog address so I can respond.

That being said, this comment was left under my Tropic Thunder post from yesterday. Honestly, until I read the very last paragraph, you at least were being respectful, and then you chose to be immature. That really didn't benefit anyone now did it? Just made you look foolish.

Sigh....another ill-informed posting on this topic. This movie does not make fun of mentally handicapped people, it makes fun of the pampered, spoiled, clueless actors who aren't bright enough to know any better.

It satirizes how Hollywood gives out awards to actors who play mentally handicapped individuals and mocks Hollywood for their treatment of the subject.

It is NOT, I repeat NOT, mocking those who are "differently-abled" or whatever PC term is in vogue now. It is mocking stupid, lazy Hollywood.

Now I'm hoping that the movie does fantastic box office and makes oodles of money. Just to piss you clueless idiots off - you guys don't even know what you're protesting. You're just as dumb as the brainless actors Stiller portrays in his movie.


So here's the thing. In yesterdays post I copied EXACT script from the movie. How exactly does this NOT make fun of people with developmental disabilities? They are using the name of "Satire" to defend the EXTREME hate they are displaying throughout this movie. And it sucks. What if they were talking about African American Actors and the line was, "You never go full N*****!" Do you think that would go unnoticed? Do you think that the black community all over the country wouldn't be up in arms about it? Don't you KNOW the NAACP would be involved up to their necks in this?

So they're mocking Hollywood huh? Maybe. Let's give Dreamworks the benefit of the doubt that yes, they were mocking Hollywood and the actors. Do you think that's what everyone else is going to get from this movie? Do you think when people wear the shirts that say, "Never Go Full Retard", they are going to be laughing at Hollywood? Do you think that as people leave this movie and are walking around the mall or in the grocery store and they see a person with a disability they won't think about this movie and mock this person? Maybe they wouldn't outwardly, but their brains will automatically go to what they've heard/seen/are wearing.

And THAT is where discrimination begins. One movie that makes it OK to mock those with disabilities. One movie that says it's "funny" and you should laugh, because gee, the actors are making fun of themselves. But those actors don't go home to a child with Down syndrome or Autism or even a spouse who has been injured in a car accident or in war and are now labeled "Mentally Retarded". Those actors and those people at Dreamworks have no idea the ripple of discrimination this is going to generate to people with disabilities all over the country. For a stupid laugh. At MY child.

If Dreamworks were NOT focusing on those with disabilities they would not be promoting the "Simple Jack" website. They would not be making posters for the movie within the movie. They would not be counting on Ben Stiller getting laughs because he is a "moron"... an "imbecile"... a "retard". They're not mocking people with disabilities? Really? Something tells me that I am not the clueless one here.

45 comments :

Mom of Army Brats. said...

Yes Renee you and about a million other people are clueless. Add me to the clueless list. I sware some people. But I am not the good Tina, and have learned to control my tounge! ( no one said i could yell at them in my mind!!)

LaForestGump said...

What a jack _ _ _ !!!!
It's one thing to disagree, but to personally attack you just indicates a lack of intelligence. My understanding of the movie is that is DOES make fun of actors, but that in no way excuses the section of script we are talking about. I heard on the news this morning that a lot of people are up in arms. Maybe this will get turned around to good publicity!

Anonymous said...

{{{{Renee}}}}} You go girl :) Bless you

Jenn and Brook

Nick McGivney said...

Leave the comment up, Renee. You'll be mad for a minute, they'll have their ignorance on display forever.

Amy© said...

I agree with Nick. And you are more than welcome to add me to your clueless list!

Proud Momma of 3 said...

I am not surprised that someone would have the audacity to write that and be such a coward to not leave their name. If anonymous felt so strongly about his or her opinion than he or she should have left a name. The post itself made no sense at all and to be rude and mean at the end is so uncalled for. Being a mom of a special needs child to me will always be a priviledge but one I have learned would mean I would always be advocating and fighting for her rights. I will always join in the fight to make sure their voices are heard and they are defended against such ignorance and blatant disregard of human decency. People with special needs have more strength, determination, and love of life than anyone I know. My little girl is in Heaven now but I will always fight for her and defend her and all her friends. I am thankful for your post yesterday and did a blog myself. I only had one comment but it was in support and I am thankful for that. Thankfully, most of your comments were in support so "anonymous" is definately in the minority and should really examine him or herself. Bless you Renee!!

Sincerely,

Mary Lynn
http://butterflysnrainbows.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

What goes around comes around Rene, don't even get upset about some ignorant people. Keep doing the best for your children.
Luciana

Stephanie said...

In one article, the exchange between Stiller and Downey Jr was said to be "mocking" what actors do to further their career. Isn't Stiller doing the same moronic thing that he is accusing others of?

He is making fun of a group of people with intellectual disabilities in order to further his career.

momof4as said...

I knew when I saw the title of this post I wasn't gonna be happy... and nope, not happy. You are right on, however the issue may be "intended" in the movie, it is not what people will take away with them (particularly the ignorant and immature).

Can always count on you to be the voice of reason!!

Heather

Jennifer said...

I agree with you! No matter what point they intend to get across, that's not the point that's going to be remembered. If they are truly only intending to make fun of hollywood actors, then they would not be selling "Never Go Full Retard" shirts. I think this movie is a disgrace.
Jennifer

whittakerwoman said...

NEXT! Don't even give them the time of day. They don't deserve your time! H

Michelle said...

You know, I'm all for free speech ... but I'm a big believer in RESPONSIBLE speech, too.

This movie - the parts of the script I've read - sounds just horrible.

Misty said...

i cant believe the nerve of some people... you know i will not go see this movie last night on some show they were interviewing some of the cast members and they even stated that its stated some talk my husband and i talked about it and we will not go see it or let our children see it. I am so sorry Renee that some people sre so blind.

TheAngelForever said...

No matter what the real point of the movie is they made a large mistake. The selected the words in the script and they picked ones that would be highly insulting. As you said, they had many other options and selected not to use them. In addition to this the actors in the movie used them and did not protest. I know they can only do so much, but it is their power in the box office that is needed. The words could have been changed if they wanted to make a stink.

Sad how anonymous posters leave comments like that and do not have a spine to let us know who they are.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line: the movie tropic thunder is sad, offensive, cruel, ignorant, & disrespectful to all of us...

Laura said...

UGH!!!!! I have thought of a million different ways to post about the movie and each time come up blank. If you wonder how I become blank, well it's because I think most people like this won't get it. I'm going to post on this later today, I think it's so important. Wonder if this person ever thought about what can happen to any of us and we could end up with a disablilty. Who will then be His/Her voice?

Anonymous said...

Renee, I support you 100%, I will not be going to see the pathetic movie Tropic Thunder nor will any of my family & friends.

somebody's mama said...

Oh yes, anonymous poster from yesterday is most certainly a coward, why else the use of cloak?

Sadly you will likely never know who the coward was, hopefully the individual realizes that they are 100% WRONG about both leaving a comment as a coward and for their beliefs.

I don't like to point fingers much, but this one deserves a good finger pointing, maybe even a good ole' slap to the face for a reality check.

I'm sorry you had to deal with such a loser Renee.

Anonymous said...

I read your post yesterday and decided we would not be seeing that movie, but didn't give it much more thought. Today however, after reading your post about your ignorant commenter I decided to look further into this. I googled Tropic Thunder controversy. Unfortunately you were right about the "N" word. There was site after site of people complaining that Ben Stiller put "black face paint" on in one of the scenes. There was not word one about using people with disabilities for a cheap, stupid laugh. It is sad to see so many "good" actors in this movie. Just goes to show the power of the almighty dollar. I'll quickly be spreading the word on this one.

Traci

Rebecca said...

People can be such so clueless sometimes. I hope he's financially tied to that movie somehow. Otherwise he's most likely just a pajama-wearing college drop-out in need of a job.

little.birdy said...

I agree with theangelforever. If the scriptwriters wanted to poke fun at Hollywood, great. But the blunt, clumsy language they they used draws so much attention to itself that it overshadows the parody. They build the word "retard" up to mean "stupid, dumb, moron, an imbecile" which contributes to the idea that individuals who are mentally retarded are also "stupid, dumb" etc. If they'd used words like "different" or "special" or even "delayed", I don't think the script segment you quoted would be so bad.

Shari said...

Very well said Renee!

Sara said...

The first 3 paragraphs of the comment are fine. It's OK to disagree. It's OK to have a different opinion & it's OK to post the different opinion. However, the final paragraph is mean & disrespectful - and that's NOT OK! Mr. or Ms. Anonymous needs to review his or her comments before clicking the 'publish' button. Disagree, fine. Don't be rude.

Sara said...

The first 3 paragraphs of the comment are fine. It's OK to disagree. It's OK to have a different opinion & it's OK to post the different opinion. However, the final paragraph is mean & disrespectful - and that's NOT OK! Mr. or Ms. Anonymous needs to review his or her comments before clicking the 'publish' button. Disagree, fine. Don't be rude.

~ Da Shiznit ~ said...

I completely agree with you AND with everyone else when they say don't let one idiot ruin your day.

I applaud you and your stance, very well said!!

Kelli said...

I agree on the anonymous commenters, why do they do that anonymously? I had one once also that was mean and nasty because I my grammer isnt perfect. Hugs and Prayers.

Oh and people should remember this is not a forum, its a person history blog of a family. We as mommy bloggers (or maybe dads) are just a support when our 4 walls seem so close because with kids and with kids with disablities its hard to get out or have time for friends, this way we can have friends even if its 3am when we are keeping in touch with them.

Anonymous said...

thank you Kelli for the info about this not being a forum but a family blog, I didn't know the bloggers policy, I started posting here when somehow I saw a prayer request and thought I could send some good energies. I'm sorry Renee for any inconvenience.

From New York City

Mommy to those Special Ks said...

Oh please don't think you cannot post here, that is not what Kelli meant at all. I put our life out there, just as other bloggers do, knowing that eventually we could come across someone rude... a "hater" as my friend Heather calls them. I love that so many of you follow our family... Kennedy's story... the lives of all of us. I love that you post your support and prayers. I love that you care enough to come back. Please don't let this one incident (or 2 as you'll see if you go back and read yesterday's comments) scare you away! I leave the anonymous comments open so everyone CAN comment :). NO inconvenience at all!

narretto said...

we all (the educated, smart people) know that this is rediculous, they did not leave their name because they are just ignorant. They do not know about this subject and obviously they do not have a precious special needs child blessing their life, so sorry for them they dont know how lucky we really are. This really saddens me to see that people are so close-mimded

Patty said...

Hugs Renee! That person (and I use that term lightly) obviously has never been in love with one of the special ones who the film is hurting.

I agree with Nick by the way! ;)

Anonymous said...

Thank you Renee, I'm happy to hear that I'm welcome to post my support and prayers here, you see I'm a big Kennedy's fan,love your children & what you have to say. Kennedy and your family have become a source of inspiration for me, love to come back again and again, thank you :))

A fan from New York City

Tracy said...

I totally agree that the dialoguee you posted was outrageous. But, that wasn't what did it for me. What did it for me was this description of a scene between Ben Stiller's character and Matthew McConaughey's.

In a conversation with his agent, played by Mathew McConaughey, Stiller’s Speedman talks about his plans to adopt a child. “At least you get to choose yours,” says the agent, looking sadly at a photograph of himself with a slack-faced teenaged boy who appears to have an intellectual disability. “I’m stuck with mine.” (The teenaged boy turns up with his father on an airplane later in the movie, staring vacantly out the window.)

This is what gets me. As if a child with a disability is not good enough. Not wanted. Just not perfect. My nephew, Liam, while not perfect in any way, is a beautiful child. Sweet, charming, loving, funny, smart. But because he's not chromosomally perfect, he'll never be good enough. He'll be made fun of, mocked, never given a chance just because of one tiny difference. And, it's this perception, that people with disabilities are not fully human, that this movie capitalizes on. It's the punch line. Liam is the punch line.

When you laugh at this crap that passes for comedy, you laugh at Liam.

Anonymous said...

Go Renee, couldn't agree more with you Traci, have lot of friends in college & i will tell all of them not to see the saddest movie of 2008--->tropic thunder

Susan (California)

Anonymous said...

can someone please let me know where can I buy a t-shirt that says any/all of the following?
"Never go full hollywood"
"Never go full dreamworks"
"Never go full stiller"
"Never go full downey jr’s"
"Never go full jack black"
"Never go full mcconaughey's"
need to buy lots of them, thanks

Mommy to those Special Ks said...

I can help you with at least one... Never Go Full Stiller Shirts

Shannon @ Gabi's World said...

Anonymous is the clueless one. I wouldn't worry about anything he/she has to say.

Anonymous said...

hey renee, check out this pledge place @ the special olympics: http://www.r-word.org/, i'm encouraging all the people i know not to see the hateful tropic thunder movie and to post good pledges for all our loving children and people, so far there are about 2000 nice pledges :)

Kele said...
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Kele said...

I must say, I have always stood up for what I believe in. But I have always, always been a big enough person to OWN it! What a cop out to leave his/her message truly anonymous. Pretty much says a lot about him and tells me he questions his own opinion/cause.
Thanks for being so passionate about this Renee, and OWNING it!

Anonymous said...

I agree with you Renee, let's all take a stand against disrespectful and demeaning language. Let's start by boycotting the movie Tropic Thunder. Keep it going by not supporting any movie that promotes negative stereotypes of people with special needs.

Michelle said...

Ugh! Sorry you got that comment. You know, I've read how everyone associated with that movie keeps saying "it's not about those with disabilities" "it's about mocking Hollywood" etc...that may be true and all, but what they don't realize is that they did in fact mock those with disabilities. How could you NOT think you did with those 2 awful phrases?! How could everyone associated with that movie look past those lines and think they were ok?

Judy said...

Renee, I haven't even heard of this movie, I don't like to go to the theater so I don't keep up. But, after reading your blog, that is one that I will not even look at when it comes out on video. And as far as the person who posted such a disrespectful comment goes, it just shows how he sees life. He/she needs our prayers obviously, because his heart is not full of love or the Lord to say such rude things. I read often and love your elegant words and posts, and have come to love your family through your sites. I will be praying for you and your family daily.

Anonymous said...

Not only is this moive bad for it's comments about menally challenged- its full of filth. Go to www.pluggedinonline.com and read the review- like more than 50 uses of the f-word. I thought it looked funny from the previews, but I won't pay to hear that.
Karen in JC, TN

Alexandra Mikaela - Awareness Warrior said...

UUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

WHY CAN'T PEOPLE SNAP OUT OF THEIR SELFISH, IGNORANT WORLDS AND CARE ABOUT OTHERS, HECK MAYBE EVEN TREAT THEM HUMANLY??? HEAVEN FORBID PEOPLE BE NICE OR AT LEAST SHUT UP IF THEY DON'T HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY???

I'm so sorry to all the people who are GOOD-HEARTED, CARING, LOVING people who have to deal with the cruelness of others like anony-IDIOT. Some day when we're in heaven we won't have to deal with this stuff and can just BE without all this BULLogna

Pardon my ANGER...I know I don't sound very Christian right now...I am just so frustrated!!!

Lu (Lucille) said...

Hi Renee, I never saw this post when you posted it, our pc was dead for the summer lol. I noticed it on your list of blog posts. I have to say, I'm shocked that the person would think it WASN'T showing at least some level of disrespect to people with developmental disabilities.

Your response is great though. Would you mind if I borrowed part of it?

I doubt the person who commented will see what I've written but for someone clearly trying to denigrate those who are offended by this they have seemingly misunderstood something quite simple.

But I'm not trying to insult them. I would just hope that they could consider this. Imagine the person you love most in the world. Then imagine a film coming out mocking them. It would hurt. You would want to do something to defend that person.

Now, imagine you DO defend them. Now, imagine someone coming along telling you that you have no reason to be offended. Saying things like 'it wasn't directed at them...'

What would you say?